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- Daniel,
As always, a fantastic editorial, full of facts I think Wall Street is allergic to, and trolls loath! - Yea there's a lot of media who want to see Apple fail in so many ways. Here's more proof that cheap copies doesn't make a great deal and Apple will usually win out eventually. Poor build quality, lousy software and cheap components don't make it in the real world as an iPhone competitor.
- I have not completed the article, but I can already say DED , is dropping bombs on the WSJ’s hit pieces.edited February 2018
- This doesn’t really explain why..
Basically anyone can design a phone, and slap Android on it. Samsung does well because they have the best hardware.
Apple beats everyone because they have the superior ecosystem and integration. Google is trying break in on that by creating their own phone. They thought good software (Android) was enough, but supporting thousands of different phones (hardware) is a fools game. Updating them with new software is a monumental task. Without the latest software (OS) users can purchase the latest software apps, and that’s where Google gets their cut.
Theoretically Google has an edge on all other Android phones long term, but that’s not true in China..
In China, there will probably be 5 (or less) survivers, and they’ll be the ones with massive resources needed to build out their own ecosystems.
Sad but true, the little guys “discount phone makers” don’t stand a chance. The large manufacturers have scale advantages, customer tie-in with the ecosystem, and don’t necessarily need to make a profit by selling the phone (hardware). - That's really not good for technology or society.
What's the alternative?That's really not good for technology or society.- Yea there's a lot of media who want to see Apple fail in so many ways. Here's more proof that cheap copies doesn't make a great deal and Apple will usually win out eventually. Poor build quality, lousy software and cheap components don't make it in the real world as an iPhone competitor.
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system, and will never been as well-aligned as iOS. Just a shame so many Android developers bring junk apps to the platform. - Yea there's a lot of media who want to see Apple fail in so many ways. Here's more proof that cheap copies doesn't make a great deal and Apple will usually win out eventually. Poor build quality, lousy software and cheap components don't make it in the real world as an iPhone competitor.
I regularly read (or troll, depending on the context) some pro-open-source/pro-linux type of forums and the general tone, or tone-deafness tends to be that they are still holding their breath for the iPhone to fail.
The reality is that the iPhone has appeal to pretty much everyone except for the people who see it as a political anathema to promoting open source. Which is fine. Less nerds interested in the iphone, less jailbreaking and subsequent security issues will show up.
Really, the question is, why can't these other idiot smartphone makers actually appeal that nerd market? Because they're after Apple's market. That's the market they can't make any headway into because you can't use Apple's software on non-Apple phones, Android is a miserable experience, and the two other mobile phone OS's out there don't have any market share. Quite honestly I'm surprised the Chinese vendors didn't just make their own OS from scratch, but I guess that would require them to worth together on something that isn't rubbish. It just won't happen. It's bad enough that most Android phones appear to be designed without any UX designers.
A good enough operating system that runs on nearly 90% smartphones worldwide. I think you are underestimating how good android really is. I remember the day when apple never discounted iphones, but since last year discounts are getting bigger and bigger meaning competition is tuff which is good for us consumers.coolfactor said:
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system
If you read the article below apple have issues in the core markets, that's the real story:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1- edited February 2018
Discounts are via the Carriers. so it comes out of their pockets as a cost of acquisition no different than BOGO and price discounts Samsung, et al, make. Apple does give a good credit for an iPhone traded in on a new iPhone, likely due to the value that every iPhone retains that Android OS phones do not. Focussing on marketshare is nice if you're ahead, but for Samsung, only getting a third of Apple's ASP, and very little benefit from Android OS's ecosystem, is a high price to pay for marketshare.
A good enough operating system that runs on nearly 90% smartphones worldwide. I think you are underestimating how good android really is. I remember the day when apple never discounted iphones, but since last year discounts are getting bigger and bigger meaning competition is tuff which is good for us consumers.coolfactor said:
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system
If you read the article below apple have issues in the core markets, that's the real story:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1
I would also note that iPhone users hold on to their current iPhones longer, about 6 months longer than the average Android OS device, which impacts unit sales, Still, those same customers have a very high loyalty to the iPhone, Apple, and Apple's ecosystem, and very few ever switch to Android OS. Unfortunately for Android OS device makers, the corollary is not true; there are more switchers from Android OS to iOS.
Bet you weren't aware that the user base of Apple's iPhone is over 50% of the total smartphone user base in the U.S.; now you are.
That's all of those iPhone users holding onto their iPhones longer. Sooner or later, they will be upgrading,
Ehhh, no. The cost to produce the average iPhone (even with Apple’s extreme buying power) is more (~$350) than the average selling price (ASP) ($250) of an Android handset. But hardware isn’t the key to iPhone success, it is the means that make possible iOS functionality. Design of the OS (ease of use, stability and intuitiveness) is a bigger reason for iPhone’s pricing power. It’s one thing to put a nice looking skin on Android, but that’s just putting lipstick on a pig.
A good enough operating system that runs on nearly 90% smartphones worldwide. I think you are underestimating how good android really is. I remember the day when apple never discounted iphones, but since last year discounts are getting bigger and bigger meaning competition is tuff which is good for us consumers.coolfactor said:
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system
If you read the article below apple have issues in the core markets, that's the real story:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1
Android apologists all respond with the same trite answers, Android has greater market share (it does in the sub $400 space where there are no profits), Android hardware specs are better (doesn’t make the user experience better), etc. My response is that Android users, by and large, are feature phone buyers that appreciate larger screens. Period. The vast majority of Android users have no use for “smartphone” functionality, hence the very low numbers (compared to iOS users) of app or online purchasing. There’s nothing wrong with glorified feature phones, but don’t confuse them with a true smartphone that people are willing to pay twice as much for.
If Androids could be upgraded without having to buy new it’s unit sales numbers would plummet. The proof in that is that Android installed base is about 2.7 billion units, compared to 1.3 billion iOS units. Remove churn caused by the inability to upgrade an Android handset, and instead of 17% iOS quarterly market share, iOS would be about 42%.
It's funny how Android trolls can be spotted usually by their first sentence..
A good enough operating system that runs on nearly 90% smartphones worldwide. I think you are underestimating how good android really is. I remember the day when apple never discounted iphones, but since last year discounts are getting bigger and bigger meaning competition is tuff which is good for us consumers.coolfactor said:
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system
If you read the article below apple have issues in the core markets, that's the real story:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1
Android is GARBAGE, no and's, if's, or but's about it. There are MOUNTAINS of data to this effect, so do yourself a favour and just stop now, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
True.. Android is garbage, yet its 'success' speaks loudly of what people are willing to accept. The truth that is loudest about the sham that is Android is the fandroid silence when the next article of government and police officials loudly complaining about the difficulty of cracking an encrypted iPhone. I have yet to read, nor find any article, discussion, video.. anything.. that any official has said about the difficulty of Android security.
It's funny how Android trolls can be spotted usually by their first sentence..
A good enough operating system that runs on nearly 90% smartphones worldwide. I think you are underestimating how good android really is. I remember the day when apple never discounted iphones, but since last year discounts are getting bigger and bigger meaning competition is tuff which is good for us consumers.coolfactor said:
Android loyalists can shout as loud as the want from the mountaintops. At the end of the day, it's just a good-enough operating system
If you read the article below apple have issues in the core markets, that's the real story:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1
Android is GARBAGE, no and's, if's, or but's about it. There are MOUNTAINS of data to this effect, so do yourself a favour and just stop now, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.- Don't know the Chinese or Asian? They can sell a kidney to land a latest/most expensive phone. To them, phone is a social status, a bling bling thing. Also, USA products are always premium in Asian eyes. This is the real damn quote from a young Vietnamese guy in Vietnam:edited February 2018
'For me, the Galaxy 7 got me more uses than iPhone 7. The problem is: no girl even looks at me with that phone on my hand. So, I'm buying an iPhone'. This is a truth story. - The Chinese smartphone makers try to copy every new feature of iPhone in order to justify their 'flagship' smartphones are competitive to iPhone. Unfortunately they are falling behind in the last two years. The iPhone 7 Plus introduced dual rear camera which is popular. One the selling points of Chinese smartphone is always they shoot better picture than iPhone. But after more than one year the Android world is still not able to produce a dual camera as good as the iPhone. The examples are Samsung S8 Edge and Google Pixel 2 Plus. Then last year Apple introduced highly accurate FaceID in iPhone X. Several component makers are trying to create a FaceID compatible kit. It seems the MWC no smartphone has FaceID compatible smartphone to show off. So it seems an Android FaceID is still far off. So without two very important new features in iPhone, the Chinese smartphone makers stopped being able to increase their sales every in the home country.
- Photo of actual android phones that are considered to be in use..
The iPhone 7 Plus wasn't the first dual camera phone.The Chinese smartphone makers try to copy every new feature of iPhone in order to justify their 'flagship' smartphones are competitive to iPhone. Unfortunately they are falling behind in the last two years. The iPhone 7 Plus introduced dual rear camera which is popular. One the selling points of Chinese smartphone is always they shoot better picture than iPhone. But after more than one year the Android world is still not able to produce a dual camera as good as the iPhone. The examples are Samsung S8 Edge and Google Pixel 2 Plus. Then last year Apple introduced highly accurate FaceID in iPhone X. Several component makers are trying to create a FaceID compatible kit. It seems the MWC no smartphone has FaceID compatible smartphone to show off. So it seems an Android FaceID is still far off. So without two very important new features in iPhone, the Chinese smartphone makers stopped being able to increase their sales every in the home country.
It was the only Apple phone that had dual cameras for a year, though. For a while, one of the big features of that phone (Portrait Mode) was in beta.
A portrait mode equivalent already existed on the phone that had dual cameras before the iPhone 7 Plus.
The manufacturer had a whole family of dual camera phones out before Apple shipped its second dual camera model. I'm not sure what you are referring to by 'better' camera.
How do these photos look to you?
https://petapixel.com/2016/05/31/review-huawei-p9-phone-camera/
They are from a dual camera phone and months before the first Apple dual camera phone even existed.
'Android FaceID' is not 'far off'. It already exists and was even revealed just weeks after Apple revealed FaceID. The roadmap had it scheduled for Q118 and AFAIK, that is still the plan although the one I'm thinking about won't appear at MWC itself but the following month (and have three cameras FWIW). That doesn't rule out someone else announcing such a feature at MWC though. I can think of two candidates.
You are fooled by the media too. Huawei p9 dual camera is very different from the iPhone 7 Plus. And watch out for claims of FaceID in the Android world. Face recognition has been bragged by Chinese media months before iPhone X in use in train stations. But is this face recognition as good as iPhone X FaceID? I doubt it.
The iPhone 7 Plus wasn't the first dual camera phone.The Chinese smartphone makers try to copy every new feature of iPhone in order to justify their 'flagship' smartphones are competitive to iPhone. Unfortunately they are falling behind in the last two years. The iPhone 7 Plus introduced dual rear camera which is popular. One the selling points of Chinese smartphone is always they shoot better picture than iPhone. But after more than one year the Android world is still not able to produce a dual camera as good as the iPhone. The examples are Samsung S8 Edge and Google Pixel 2 Plus. Then last year Apple introduced highly accurate FaceID in iPhone X. Several component makers are trying to create a FaceID compatible kit. It seems the MWC no smartphone has FaceID compatible smartphone to show off. So it seems an Android FaceID is still far off. So without two very important new features in iPhone, the Chinese smartphone makers stopped being able to increase their sales every in the home country.
It was the only Apple phone that had dual cameras for a year, though. For a while, one of the big features of that phone (Portrait Mode) was in beta.
A portrait mode equivalent already existed on the phone that had dual cameras before the iPhone 7 Plus.
The manufacturer had a whole family of dual camera phones out before Apple shipped its second dual camera model. I'm not sure what you are referring to by 'better' camera.
How do these photos look to you?
https://petapixel.com/2016/05/31/review-huawei-p9-phone-camera/
They are from a dual camera phone and months before the first Apple dual camera phone even existed.
'Android FaceID' is not 'far off'. It already exists and was even revealed just weeks after Apple revealed FaceID. The roadmap had it scheduled for Q118 and AFAIK, that is still the plan although the one I'm thinking about won't appear at MWC itself but the following month (and have three cameras FWIW). That doesn't rule out someone else announcing such a feature at MWC though. I can think of two candidates.
I think one of Google Android strategy is to use sea of Android smartphones to bury iPhone. To make it harder for Apple to claim innovation the new features will appear in this and that Android smartphones. Even though they don't sell because of poor quality.
The iPhone 7 Plus wasn't the first dual camera phone.The Chinese smartphone makers try to copy every new feature of iPhone in order to justify their 'flagship' smartphones are competitive to iPhone. Unfortunately they are falling behind in the last two years. The iPhone 7 Plus introduced dual rear camera which is popular. One the selling points of Chinese smartphone is always they shoot better picture than iPhone. But after more than one year the Android world is still not able to produce a dual camera as good as the iPhone. The examples are Samsung S8 Edge and Google Pixel 2 Plus. Then last year Apple introduced highly accurate FaceID in iPhone X. Several component makers are trying to create a FaceID compatible kit. It seems the MWC no smartphone has FaceID compatible smartphone to show off. So it seems an Android FaceID is still far off. So without two very important new features in iPhone, the Chinese smartphone makers stopped being able to increase their sales every in the home country.
It was the only Apple phone that had dual cameras for a year, though. For a while, one of the big features of that phone (Portrait Mode) was in beta.
A portrait mode equivalent already existed on the phone that had dual cameras before the iPhone 7 Plus.
The manufacturer had a whole family of dual camera phones out before Apple shipped its second dual camera model. I'm not sure what you are referring to by 'better' camera.
How do these photos look to you?
https://petapixel.com/2016/05/31/review-huawei-p9-phone-camera/
They are from a dual camera phone and months before the first Apple dual camera phone even existed.
'Android FaceID' is not 'far off'. It already exists and was even revealed just weeks after Apple revealed FaceID. The roadmap had it scheduled for Q118 and AFAIK, that is still the plan although the one I'm thinking about won't appear at MWC itself but the following month (and have three cameras FWIW). That doesn't rule out someone else announcing such a feature at MWC though. I can think of two candidates.- Once again, just one of the paragraph headings in Dilger's piece contains more information than most AI articles, and unlike those articles, is also witty! Great work, Daniel! The most interesting thing about Apple over its amazing rise through the past 18 years is the way a growing number of people, from all walks of life, are voting with their money saying, 'We don't want pieces of shit - we want quality!' No one else in China, Europe or TUSA have managed to produce anything as good as Apple. I imagine the future of Apple as providing the only viable source of technology, which is a HUGE improvement over the 90's and 00's where it was Microsoft. I really hope Apple can refine its software to the point where an update doesn't have random issues, and where there are no more bugs.
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